Lurtz v Legolas

[ukhenry]

Random Rant

People have argued with me and told me LURTS is better than LEGOLAS but please explain to me how, sure he has a knock back poison arrow but just because of LEGOLAS's melee and ariel kicks I find it could take me (up to) 4x as long to kill a (good) LEGOLAS than a (good) LURTS, this is as a hero warrior of course.

Although I have always disliked hero I now realize back on xbox how much of an advantage us WC (good team hero) had over BC (evil team) just because good has better heroes.

Out of bordem I would like to make some comparisons.


SARUMAN[/b] - Strong lightning, standing still stomp fire ball
MOUTH - Strong lightning, staff attack that is useful for escapes & a fire wall.
GANDALF - Chain lightning moving stomp fire wall.

Clearly I would like to think SARUMAN is better in a 1v1 situation but its debatable as GANDALF can move while using staff slam, but GANDALF is definatly the better team mage hands down.

ELROND - The ability to heal as a warrior nuff said and a ranged special attack.
ARAGORN - carpet spam. ( open to head shots while doing this )
ISILDUR - OP normal warrior
WITCH KING - fast ariel attacks, A scream & a stun attack that renders opponents defenselessness temporarily ( while using either attacks vulnerable to head shots)
NAZGUL - very similar to witch king with a heavy special that lifts oponents off the ground

I guess from my description you can't make much of it but good offers more variety( I missed out FARAMIR but oh well ).

I don't need to explain scouts worm tongue is better. so evil has better scouts ( back stab and suicide bomb) AEOWYN has better melee well i think so personal preference.

Archer I already explained my opinion scroll to the top good wins there, however I missed the fact that yes LURTS can be better than LEGOLAS with team support ( not having to worry about warriors)
once hit in close range LEGOLAS can defend him self LURTS cannot assuming the warrior does not make a mistake.

[morgoth]

comparing good heroes to evil ones its like comparing me to any other warrriors ehehh xD
Me > rest gg wp overpwnt xD eheheh

[Taco]

Gimli and Frodo are always overlooked...

What are you talking about evil warriors don't have variety?! Variety is not only synonymous with Nazgul, but it is his middle name! Unlike every other warrior, Nazgulz can chain their special attacks in any way, shape or form they see fit, as opposed to the same old mainstream hierarchical least to greatest, light>medium>heavy special (hardly "special", if you ask me) method.

heavy sp>medium sp>light sp? GO FOR IT!
medium sp>light sp>heavy sp? WHY NOT?
heavy sp> heavy sp> heavy sp>heavy sp? YOLO!

As for which archer is better: I can understand why Lurtz is favoured, as traditional archer tactics dictates a long distance game, the extra "oomph" of Lurtz'z poison arrow is accepted and the significant advantages of Lego's aerial kicks are left idle. Shotguns aside, Archer CQB remains mostly uncharted waters...but fear not! I will soon remedy this most grievous fact! After unceasing research and fatal experimentation, Taquito has turned - indeed, PROVED - Lego's aerial kick to be among the highest in his offensive arsenal, right up there with the mighty Spreadshot and Fireshot!

[Angelus]

Gimli's a Beast

If it's a Hero Warrior vs the Hero Archers then Legolas would have the slight advantage of his aerial attacks, But i still prefer Lurtz his Poison knockback is gg .

Saruman - trumps all Mages....Although i do like Mouth of Sauron alot also.
Aragorn - is complete rubbish if you know how to Evade/Block his carpet spam.
Elrond - can be a beast if used properly with his bubbles and light special and medium special combos.
Isildur ofc being the Most overpowered warrior in the game and most similar to the normal warrior, So easier for players to use.
Faramir - is underrated which is a shame because his annoying everlasting combos can be effective xD
Nazgul - Used to think he was a noob but Taco showed me he can actually be the best Hero Warrior ingame.
Witch King - Probaly a better team warrior than others due to his Heavy special stopping enemies in their track for a short time giving team time enough to attack. (Meat Shield Really & Scouts best friend)

Wormtongue - Superior Scout Nuff said

[suzda]

lurtz > lego 1v1
lego > lurtz 8v8

[morgoth]

nazgul is noob hero warr

[Taco]

Jan 12, 2013 12:39:56 GMT Angelus said:

Gimli's a Beast

If it's a Hero Warrior vs the Hero Archers then Legolas would have the slight advantage of his aerial attacks, But i still prefer Lurtz his Poison knockback is gg .

Saruman - trumps all Mages....Although i do like Mouth of Sauron alot also.

All but Gandy . The person as Gandy just needs to hit with his shockwave (easily done with his OP mobility+range), catch his opponent on get-up with good melee timing, then finish with a point blank firewall. I'll admit that Saruman is better IF both people fight the mage duel traditionally: lightnings, shields, etc; you know the deal. But Taquito at least does fight with melee and that is why, when Gandy is played as described above, he is nearly impossible to beat. Same thing with Sauron (1v1 Sauron > Balrog due to his axes), if you be him properly, there is no excuse for losing 1v1.
Aragorn - is complete rubbish if you know how to Evade/Block his carpet spam.

Agreed, for the most part, but just like every other attack in the game, it only takes a slight adjustment of .5s or so to make it affective again. Anything - ANYTHING - used at such a time that is unanticipated by your opponent will connect, and will work. So if your opponent is getting past all your carpets, change up the timing a bit. Let's say you axe him down; on his get-up/recovery; instead of immediately going to combo/carpet him, try waiting 1-3 seconds just to see what he does, then strike as and/or when you see fit.


Elrond - can be a beast if used properly with his bubbles and light special and medium special combos.
Isildur ofc being the Most overpowered warrior in the game and most similar to the normal warrior, So easier for players to use.
Faramir - is underrated which is a shame because his annoying everlasting combos can be effective xD
Nazgul - Used to think he was a noob but Taco showed me he can actually be the best Hero Warrior ingame.
Witch King - Probaly a better team warrior than others due to his Heavy special stopping enemies in their track for a short time giving team time enough to attack. (Meat Shield Really & Scouts best friend)

Wormtongue - Superior Scout Nuff said

VALIDATED! xD

IMO,
Lurtz > long range
Lego > short range/CQB

Jan 12, 2013 17:37:15 GMT morgoth said:

nazgul is noob hero warr

shhhh noob just because you can't play naz doesn't mean he isn't awesome xD.

[Lhii]

I think it's pretty much been agreed by all that Lego is a better rambo archer while Lurtz is a stronger team archer. Not only does Lurtz have poison knockback but he also has penetration (something often overlooked). With proper support one or two Lurtz players can cause a lot more trouble than the enemy Legos.

But yea, Legolas is pretty godly up close. In HTDM it's not really the warrior's duty to solo archers and against skilled opponents it is basically never going to happen (not saying that it is so terribly unbalanced but rather that pretty much everything ruins the (often) extremely long melee combos that have to be used to kill an enemy archer).

Warriors in standard modes have been pretty spoiled for the last year/year and a half. I don't see HTDM warrs ever being able to have such a presence in HTDM.

Gandy ~ stupidly op
Saruman ~ good range but a lot less scary in teamfights and much more vulnerable overall
MoS ~

Grima ~ boom footshot
Frodo ~ actually not too bad but skillcap is high
Eowyn ~ works just not particularly special
scouts are one of the main reasons HTDM is not and will never be balanced. They can be played like standard scouts in other modes and just take advantage of the fact they can tank and still instakill. Fortunately/unfortunately some warriors do make it pretty hard for scouts and the archer's increased number of spreads makes using hero scouts somewhat tricky ---> but these issues shouldn't be too difficult for some of the scary scoutplay we see ingame now.


Pretty much all of the hero warriors are just as capable of impacting a teamfight. Admittedly some are just terrible for dueling but if you want a strong team just try and get a variety of warriors who can take one or more enemies out of the fight for prolonged periods of time with their spells. Some ppl hate Elrond and Isi and I guess they have a point but these warriors do make sacrifices for their own strengths (Isi has no dependable priority tho that is usually a small price to pay for his offensive strength; Elrond is pretty weak and is just good for the utility he provides (also to note - he is very, very vulnerable after or even while using any of his spells)).

edit: as far as Naz/WK goes I always thought of Naz as a bit more of an assassin/duelist than WK who is imo more of a support warr. That's not to say that Naz couldn't bodyguard/perform well in 8v8 or that WK can't duel but their spells and the way they are executed seem like that was more what they were designed for.



tl;dr be thankful HCTR was never created

[dirtyprotest]

Well remebered Lhii - Lurtz's railgun makes him supreme ranged fighter
leggy is ranged/kungfu/bulletproof mixed class

grima's soul-punch & suicide bomb puts him ahead of warriors & scouts damage-wise, though for hero scouts, eowyn combo chains best (least broken by pc port).
frodo, cloaked combos & satchel bomb bigger than his head - comic relief.

Jan 14, 2013 1:25:56 GMT Lhii said:

.. be thankful HCTR was never created

next mod. you've finally shown me a way to enjoy CTR.
(gimli supertank ringbearer)

[Eraynor™]

Forget all heroes, Frodo can pwn all at once!

[Darklion]

Treebeard bestest heroesment

[Thorin Oakenshield]

Saruman better in 1 vs 1 because of long range firewall and op lightning (gandalfs lightning less powerful)